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this effort is temporarily reducing numbers, but that pressure could keep building and we could see an increase in the future. >> what do you think happens of donald trump is elected and this order is in place? does it matter one way or another? >> no matter who is president, the core operations have not changed and the laws will not have changed either. people still have a right to seek asylum, but it is worth noting that president trump, his administration released hundreds of thousands of migrants at the border in 2018 and 2019 when they saw similar limitations and the situation has devolved since then with people coming from further abroad, emphasizing the need for congress to step in and start funding the humanitarian protection system. >> aaron reichlin-melnick, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> alex wagner tonight starts

now. >> we will have the aclu on later on in our hour to talk about that and whether there might be a lawsuit coming for the biden administration. thank you, my friend. today has been a lesson in how every accusation from the republican party these days is actually a confession. >> are you weaponize thing the house the same way? >> no. >> you say democrats are weaponize in the doj to get what they want. are you doing it on a bigger platform in the entire house of representatives? >> no, there is a clear distinction between what we are doing and what they have done. they are undermining people's faith in our institutions, the system of justice itself. what we are doing is the opposite. we are trying to adhere to the rule of law. >> that was republican speaker of the house mike johnson this afternoon saying the republican party is just trying to adhere

to the rule of law. a few hours before that interview, speaker johnson made a huge decision which shows that is plainly not the case. as speaker of the house, one of the most important things johnson does is decide who from his party sits on house committees and among the most important committees for the rule of law in this country is the house intelligence committee. today speaker johnson appointed far right congressman scott perry and far right congressman ronny jackson to the open seats on that committee. when i say this decision flies in the face of the rule of law, it is not only because. and jackson are big-time election deniers, they most certainly are. there are also the individual actions these congressmen have taken that demonstrate just how much little respect they have for the rule of law and democracy as a whole. congressman scott perry had a significant role in the attempt

to overturn the 2020 election. he was the congressman who tried to get trump's chief of staff mark meadows to investigate the conspiracy theory that italian satellites were swapping out trump's votes for biden votes. he is the congressman who met with mark meadows before mark meadows literally set fire to papers in his office. he was the congressman who introduced an obscure employee named jeffrey clark to president trump in an effort to get him to appoint the malleable mister clark is attorney general and help steal the election. trump ultimately did appoint him to serve as attorney general for one hot second, by the way. we know that now. congressman perry was also one of the people president trump talked with about going to the capital on january 6 and one of the people who asked president trump for a preemptive pardon after january 6. and then when the house january 6 committee

subpoenaed congressman perry to ask him about all of the above, perry refused to comply. but wait, there is more. last year the fbi seized congressman perry's cell phone as part of the special counsel investigation into attempts to overturn the 2020 election. to this day congressman scott perry is in an ongoing lawsuit against the department of justice, trying to keep the doj from using the information on his phone. but, rule of law. this guy is one of the guys speaker johnson believes should be overseeing the fbi and then there is the other guy, congressman ronny jackson. he was the white house physician under president trump. you remember him? he's the one who put out glowing statements about how healthy president trump was and how he just might live to be 200 years old. ronny jackson is now a far

right congressman from texas who pushes conspiracy theories and says fellow dr. anthony fauci belongs in jail. here was congressman jackson responding to trump's guilty verdict last week. >> president biden should be ready because on january 20 next year when he is former president joe biden, what is good for the goose is good for the gander and i will encourage all of my colleagues and anybody i have influence over as a member of congress to aggressively go after the president and his entire family. >> subtle. these are the guys speaker johnson is giving a seat on the committee that oversees our nation's intelligence agencies. one congressman who is not only actively involved in the plot to overturn the 2020 election, but actively refusing to cooperate with law enforcement about all of it. and another congressman who last week on television said

congress should be using its powers to go after president biden and his family. >> look, we are the rule of law team. we believe in the rule of law. >> team rule of law. yesterday speaker johnson laid out plans to weaponize the house oversight powers for retaliatory investigations against democrats and president biden as sort of a republican response to trump's conviction by a jury of his peers in new york city and you can bet that a good chunk of those investigations will probably come out of the house committee on the weaponization of the federal government. again, every republican allegation is actually a confession. but what makes all of this so much worse is that these revenge fantasies aren't just coming from speaker johnson and fellow republicans in the whack you do house conference. this is where the whole party

is. the gop is the party of vengeance. this is what florida senator marco rubio said after trump's conviction. it is time to fight fire emoji with fire emoji. >> i'm talking aboutfor tat. you wait and it won't be hunter biden the next time. it is going to be joe biden. it could be barack obama. it could be hillary clinton. >> you have to get in the game, republicans. his every house committee using its subpoena power in every way it needs to right now? starting every investigation they need to right now? >> we need brave district attorneys in the united states to step forward and take aggressive action. >> they need to be put on defense and the only way is to hit them with a blowtorch. >> it is a terrible precedent for our country.

it is a terrible, terrible path they are leading us to and it is very possible that it is going to have to happen to them. >> joining me now is massachusetts senator, democrat elizabeth warren. senator warren, thank you for being here. i remember a time when marco rubio had at least a residence on earth one where facts are facts and reality is reality. i have to get your thoughts on his statement, his tweet today, saying our current president is a demented man propped up by wicked and deranged people willing to destroy our country to remain in power. it is time to fight fire with fire. your thoughts, senator? >> this revenge fantasy is truly alarming. i understand that these are people who have taken their loafs of loyalty to donald trump, not to the constitution. not to the people, but to this

one man. they suck up and do whatever it is that he wants them to do, but the direction this has now gone. look, we all understand using our court system for retribution is wrong and there is absolutely zero evidence that the 34 felony convictions against donald trump had anything to do with political retribution. and yet the republicans in this moment have decided that the only way they can explain that their candidate is a convicted felon. can i say that again? a convicted felon who has said he wants to be dictator on day one. that the only way they can explain that is to head off and they are planning to do retribution and somehow they think that will spill backwards

into what happened in the courts in new york. none of this makes any sense. except to say it is about tearing down our government. it is about tearing down our institutions and i believe the reason they want to do that is they don't want a government that functions. we are trying to show that we can actually make government work for people. we can actually make government the an instrument of roads and bridges and things that work better for america. we can cancel student loan debt and get $35 insulin. the kinds of things joe biden has been doing. what these republicans want is they want to use government for power. for donald trump and for themselves and that is truly a threat to our democracy. >> i would love to follow up on that because now scott perry and ronny jackson are going to

be sitting on a house committee that oversees spy agencies and has access to sensitive and classified information. as a prominent democrat, does that scare you? >> yeah, it really does. i am alarmed by every step they are taking and by the fact that people who are less and less attached to reality are moving into ever more powerful positions in the house of representatives and i worry that we are getting some evidence that the senate on the republican side does not look like it is our bind. this is an alarming moment. five months from today we will have an election and when people say democracy is on the ballot, this is a big part of what we are talking about. you believe in government? do you try to support government? you make your loyalty to the constitution and people of the united states or is it all

about one man and however much you have to distort the facts? however much you have to lie. however much you have to engage in ugly and mean retribution fantasies, you will do it if it satisfies that one man. that is the choice in front of us and i've got to say i'm glad i'm on the democratic side. i am with joe biden who is at heart a decent and good man who wants government to work for you. >> i have to ask, because as we talk about republican revenge fantasies, senator katie britt, another colleague in the senate, called democratic efforts to pass protection for contribution -- contraception on the senate floor part of a summer of scare tactics. first if you could, respond to the notion that protecting contraception is a partisan scare tactic. >> okay, let's be really clear. what she is really saying is if

we talk about what the republicans are threatening to do, we really will scare america and i think that's right. look at it this way. what have the republicans done so far? well, they told us to an a half years ago nobody would touch roe versus wade. donald trump gets this extremist supreme court in place and the first chance they get they pitch out roe versus wade. they don't take a little bite out of it. they just throw the whole thing out and while they are throwing it out, clarence thomas says as long as we are throwing it out, let's take a look at throwing out griswold, which 10 years earlier had protected access to contraception. in addition to that, the speaker of the house and a majority of republicans in the house of representatives are cosponsors

on a bill about life begins at conception that would actually make illegal certain forms of contraception. iuds, plan b. in addition to that there are extremist group out there that are aggressively lobbying to take away access to contraception and then we've got donald trump himself who just two weeks ago said he was going to take a look at putting restrictions on contraception and then as if all of that were not enough, understand that today in the united states senate, all but two republicans, when given a chance to vote on what about a federal law to protect access to contraception, that is all the bill really said. only two republicans said i will support that. the rest of them voted no or

ran for the hills, so they would not have to say in public how they feel about taking away access to contraception. you better believe that americans should be scared about what republicans want to do, because they are coming after abortion everywhere in this country. they are coming after ivf in this country and they are coming after contraception. not just red states, but nationally. red states, blue states, purple states, everywhere. it is an extremist agenda and america should be alarmed. >> senator elizabeth warren, thank you for joining me and offering your wisdom and perspective. really appreciate your time. >> you bet, thank you. i want to turn now to an opinion columnist for the new york times. thinking for being here. we were talking to senator warren about revenge fantasies and i think part of the reason

we have seen such a shocking response from the republican party is because they are legitimately shaken by the 34 felony counts. how do you interpret what is an unprecedented, spoken out loud plot to break the law in service of a partisan agenda? >> i think that is absolutely right. i think this roar we are seeing from republicans, this furious anger over the conviction, is an expression of the fact that they are more than aware that it is not good for your party's standard bearer to be a convicted felon. it is not good and to go through the polling so far, it is not good when consistently majorities of americans are saying that seems about right. it seems about right that donald trump is guilty of fraud and the conviction was the right choice. honestly it is somewhat surprising among the public about the justice of this ruling and i will note that you

have not really seen republicans and actively deny the charges against trump. you have not seen republicans try to speak to his good name. to say donald trump could never have done what he was charged with that the jury found him guilty of. to me that is a clear sign that republicans know this is not an ideal situation. >> you have an opinion piece i will read an excerpt of. the myth is that donald trump is immune to scandal and there is nothing that could undermine his political prospects. the truth is very far from the myth. yes he has shameless and surrounded by cult of personality, but neither makes him invulnerable to the blows of political combat. and then the polling you were talking about. this is the new york times polling. before the verdict trump was up by three points. after the verdict two years up by one point. i know that is not a sizable

enough margin to assuage folks, but the fact is we are a couple of days out and it is, however incremental, having an effect, especially among young, nonwhite voters who were largely disengaged from the political process. how do you read that? >> i think we are still at this stage in the election where your typical voter, most voters, are not paying all that much attention. as we move into the summer and fall i expect we will hear a steady drumbeat about the president being a convicted felon. his sentencing is in july before the republican national convention. that will be a big moment. i expect as more voters tune in and begin to internalize what they learn about trump, they will think seriously not just about their preference, but their vote intention. this sort of thing might at the very least keep trump from

consolidating voters he needs to actually win the election. the way i have been thinking about it is if trump were acquitted, right, we would all recognize this was a big victory for the former president. so him being convicted on 34 counts, i've got to be honest. i was surprised that it was all 34. him being convicted, it stands to reason that it is an obstacle to his efforts to win a second term. >> right. it says something about the world we are living in that we have to reiterate that maybe getting convicted on 34 felony counts is not a boon. however i will say in one of the tightest senate races in the country, what is it? jon tester and tim sheehy is trying to run on trump's

convictions. jamelle bouie with the new york times, thank you for being here. >> thank you. we have a lot this evening including revelations about a secret plan to influence lawmakers like hakeem jeffries. we will tell you what that plot is. plus the judge overseeing the criminal prosecution of donald trump in florida makes the latest in a long series of decisions that seem to be helping the guy who appointed her. that is next. but we got to sell our houses! (vo) well, almost perfect. don't worry. just sell directly to opendoor. (woman) yes! (vo) close in a matter of days. when life's doors open, we'll handle the house. did you know that if you shave, 1/3rd of what you remove is skin? (♪♪) new dove helps repair it. so, if you shave it? (♪♪) dove it new dove replenish your skin after every shave. a mystery!

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donald trump may have lost his new york city criminal case, but delays in his prosecutions in florida and georgia are dealing him a pretty winning hand. today in georgia the state court of appeals put the

election conspiracy prosecution against trump on hold until at least october, when the court takes up trump's motion to disqualify fulton county d.a. fani willis. in florida in trump's federal prosecution of his handling of classified documents, judge aileen cannon continues to entertain a very long list of arguments to dismiss this case entirely. in the next hearing later this month, trump's attorneys will argue that jack smith's appointment as special counsel was unconstitutional. judge cannon is not only taking valuable court time tehri matter that has already been adjudicated, she is also taking a remarkable step of allowing lawyers who are not part of the case to come to court and join in on the oral arguments. joining me now to help understand what is happening here, my good friend joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and cohost of the sisters in law podcast.

earlier she said she had never seen something like what judge cannon is doing, inviting effectively guessed conservative lawyers to come to the court and sing their song. how unusual is this in your estimation? >> right, mary and i talked about this earlier today and we are hard-pressed to think of any situation where a trial court judge not only entertained these briefs from nonparties, but then permitted them to come into court and argue their cases. like inviting random folks in off the street who don't have a stake in the case to express their views. extremely rarely you will see this with a government entity. perhaps the justice department in a case between private litigants where the government has a stake in the issue, but this is a little bit off the wall, to put it politely. this is a judge who complained she can't set a trial date

because she has such a backlog of motions. here she is taking a day to hear one issue in a motion that could have just as easily been decided after she read the briefs. trial arguments only are heard for outstanding issues. here all of the issues are adequately addressed in the briefs submitted by the parties. >> does it suggest to you that she is looking for a way to dismiss the case? i know it seems far-fetched, but everything she has done so far seems far-fetched. do you think this is her way out of the case? >> i don't think it gives her ammunition she doesn't otherwise have. there is a district of columbia court of appeals decision that says this form of appointing a special counsel is constitutional, end of story. the court of appeals reached the decision unanimously. they did not struggle in their opinion, but it is fair for

judge cannon who is in a different circuit two has not decided that issue, to make her own independent decision. that doesn't require a couple of days of hearings that include this sort of unusual amicus proceeding to get there and here is the reality. if she dismisses the case on this basis, jack smith will go straight to the 11th circuit. i bet he already has the notice of appeal on his desk in case she rules that way, so he can jump on it. i don't think it will take the court of appeals where he longed to reverse her if she rules that way. >> i would assume he is prepared given her track record. speaking of the court of appeals, i have to ask your opinion of what is happening in georgia. to some degree it is not surprising that the court of appeals would say let's work up this issue and put the case on hold, but i wonder your assessment about how imperiled fani willis is in terms of prosecuting this case and taking it to trial.

>> i think it is hard to say. judge mcafee wrote a detailed and serious opinion based on days of taking evidence. he may well be affirmed ultimately by the court of appeals in georgia and the issue as it is in southern florida is delay. how much time it takes before we get to a point where this case can move forward, whether it is fani willis at the helm or someone else. >> do you have a sense, joyce, about when we talk about any of these cases getting back on track, what are you most hopeful about? there are three big ones effectively in various states of limbo. do you have a lead horse, if any? >> so, hopeful is a tough word. i think, you know, the case we would all like to see tried is the case about january 6. the case that impacts each of our rights as americans and whether

or not a former president tried to deny our right to cast a vote. that case could get on track depending on what the supreme court does and how quickly they do it. but of course the florida case, the southern district of florida case, is extraordinarily serious. it involves how a candidate for the presidency mishandled classified information in potentially catastrophic ways. i think it is extremely unlikely that we will see a trial in the case before the end of the year, but you know the interesting thing is that we all i think by into the trump narrative that these cases won't get to trial. it's too late, forget it, everything is about what the voters do. that is true in a sense. voters will ultimately make a decision, but if trump is not elected these cases will go to trial shortly after the first of the year and that is one way of bringing this situation to a close and seeking justice. >> that is the intent of my

question. we should not dismiss these cases as wiped away in november because if joe biden wins, donald trump is going to trial more than once. joyce vance, thank you for making the time. it's great to see you. >> thanks. still to come this evening, there is a thing senate republicans really do not want to get on the record about and today senate democrats forced their hand. we will explain coming up. plus, house speaker mike johnson is using israel's war in gaza against democrats. we will have more on that coming up next.

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okay, this was the bombshell headline today from the new york times. israel secretly targets u.s. lawmakers with influence campaign on gaza war. according to the times, israel paid a private firm $2 million to push pro-israel messaging through hundreds of fake social media accounts and websites. in particular the firm targeted lack democrats such as hakeem jeffries and raphael warnock. that comes as the tension among the democratic coalition is exacerbated by congressional leaders like mike johnson formally inviting benjamin

netanyahu to speak before a joint session of congress. political reports that if he was hoping to divide democrats by inviting the polarizing prime minister, then he is already succeeding beyond anyone's wildest expectations. joining me now is ben rhodes, former deputy national security advisor under president obama. i feel like somewhere on the podcast today the term cell phone was bandied about for what the democrats are doing and i wonder if you have a working theory about how and why this is all happening. >> it is very clear what is in it for netanyahu. he is under political pressure at home. less popular than he has been in his tenure as prime minister. he has no plan to a sheave days to a cheese hit -- he has no plan to achieve his objectives. that he can stand up and get

standing ovations. it is clear for mike johnson and republicans and donald trump, who i am sure netanyahu would like to see as the next president. they can highlight their support for the operation in gaza. they get to divide democrats who have different views. what is astonishing to me is the democratic leadership in the house and senate would go along for what is so transparently an effort to exploit divisions for the benefit of the republican party and netanyahu. we saw this in 2018 when the democratic leadership did not join the republicans and inviting netanyahu to speak to congress. so this is a cell phone at a very precarious time. >> i think a lot of people have forgotten that episode. can you talk about how the dynamics were different? is it an issue of allowing

coverage? what are the differences between then and now? >> back then the speaker of the house took it upon themselves to invite netanyahu without telling the white house and netanyahu did not notify us in the white house until he accepted the invitation. that was a partisan exercise designed to undercut and attack his presidency. this time this has been brewing for a longer time, but let's be clear, alex. this is not something joe biden had anything to do with. by all reports mike johnson was negotiating this directly. that is very unusual. i can't think of any country where a foreign leader negotiates his appearance directly with an opposition leader in congress. that tells you everything you need to know about the political, overlapping interests and this time around they jammed the leader with

this decision and decided to give it the bipartisan cover. that is important. he might have come anyway, but now he has the cover of bipartisanship. literally giving a speech and writing in here and rolling out the carpet. again, that will make it harder to do what he has been trying to do, which is press netanyahu into a cease-fire. >> it is coming at the same time that israel is basically contracting out and influence campaign to target democrats under the radar, using a.i., fake social media accounts, fake news websites. what is your reaction to that as someone who had his own interaction with opposition research endeavors? >> you are a friend of mine, alex. you may remember it came out a year after the obama administration that a group of agents had been hired to spy on

me. we have seen these tactics before. i think what is striking about this one is the tactics being used are literally the same tactics russia uses. fake social media accounts, using a.i. to target certain audiences. targeting black members of congress as a constituency that you want to make sure is divided and maintains support for israel. when russia is doing this kind of and the democrats are very vocal in calling it what it is, which is foreign interference in politics. this is exactly the same. exactly the same playbook and if we don't have antibodies to the sand one of those would be maybe not inviting the leader of a country to address congress. it's going to keep happening. >> i guess i also wonder, part of the reason it did not really succeed, this effort, was because it was ham-handed and not that convincing.

the intelligence vai used was not that sophisticated, but in terms of the future and what we are looking at with rogue governments and allies trying to metal with a frayed democratic system in the united states. what are the implications? >> i think what we see from a lot of governments, i think it is not just israel and russia. a lot of foreign interest to do this. they look for areas where there are divisions already in the united states. issues around the black lives matter movement. the war in gaza. anything in which americans are arguing with each other online and they come in and either pour gasoline on the fire or try to put their thumb on the scale. they are creating volume that makes people think these divisions are sharper than they appear or they try to bias us in the direction of one side of the argument as israel is trying to do.

it goes to show that the information environment is so broken and people are living in a space online that is absent objective reality. why wouldn't all manner of people come in and try to exploit that? i think the starker message is why can't israel feel they can make these arguments directly to members of congress about what they are doing in gaza? if you think you're winning the argument, if you're confident in what you are doing, you don't need to create a bunch of thoughts to try to pressure. >> once you are using bots it says a lot about the merits of your arguments. ben rhodes, thank you for joining me tonight. >> thanks, alex. stack still ahead tonight. in an election year when something is universally popular, members of both parties typically go out of their way to align themselves with that policy. given the opportunity to do that today, republicans in the senate turned tail. we will tell you why, next.

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contraception as morally acceptable. even among republicans data shows 72% said they had a favorable view of birth control. that did not stop the gop from killing the bill in the senate. a few hours ago majority leader chuck schumer offered his analysis as to why. >> of course we are already hearing the same predictable, tired, unpersuasive retorts from the other side. that this vote is unnecessary. the birth control could never be at risk. that this is much ado about nothing. that's not true. as i said, ask the people of virginia what they think. ask the people of arizona or idaho or iowa. each of these states where republican legislators are on record, blocking protections for birth control access in one form or another. >> given in a post-roe america republicans are still saying that it is much ado about

nothing. the washington post reports republicans in missouri and indiana and idaho are falsely claiming contraceptives induce abortions. even though a supreme court justice openly invited challenges to contraception. nga something. even though cea supreme court justice openly invited legal challenges to contraception when he voted to overturn roe. even as multiple states are actively limiting access to contraception or refusing to protect it. even then with all that, the republican position is nothing to see here folks. now senator schumer just announced a vote on a new bill, the right to ivf act. that's coming next week for the record. public support is 70%. republicans will say there's no real threat to ivf which probably means that right now is exactly the time to start protecting imthose. still ahead tonight, earlier this year, president biden t,promised to shut down t

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switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! today the biden administration's executive action to limit the number of u.s. border crossings took effect. once daily encounters pass a certain threshold. some of this is similar to actions taken by president trump. legal director of the aclus immigrant rights project who successfully blocked trump's changes to take effect said it was illegal when trump did it and it's illegal now. let me just first, if it was

illegal then and illegal now. is the aclu going to file a lawsuit. >> we are going to sue for sure. we are just deciding when the timing is still in the working and exactly where. but that's definitely going to happen. >> i want to get your thoughts on the illegality of this. because donald trump is, was on another cable news network this evening speaking with the host about this biden executive action. and this is what he had to say. >> yesterday he implemented a new policy, however it's 2 million illegals a year. >> it's meaningless as a joke. it has nothing to do with border security. >> okay so, it's meaningless. it's a joke, it has nothing to do with border security. what's your assessment. what's your reaction to that, first of all. >> i think we shouldn't be listening to president trump on immigration. as you know very well, he's the person who implemented the family separation policy. and you know, a lot of people talk about the american people

want something done on immigration. and we are not disputing that but i think they want something balanced. they don't want to get back to what trump did with family separation. they want, what's disappointing and illegal about this, i think it went too far to one extreme. if you just take a family who's fleeing persecution because they're christian or some other religion and they're in grave danger, you would want that family to get screened for asylum. this policy if they enter in the wrong place, they would go back to danger. we need to streamline the asylum process, make it more efficient. but this goes too far by ending screenings for asylum seekers. i think if the american people know no matter what grave danger you are, and you wouldn't be screened if you entered in the wrong place i think they would react first. i think we need to find some balanced approach. the reason it's illegal is very clear. congress has said if you get to

u.s. soil, even if you enter legally, you should be screened for asylum. it mean you get asylum. the reason is very clear. people can't always get to a port. >> you're talking about a port of entry? >> exactly, exactly. you could be traveling with a child. the cartel is going to push you away from that. there's very few spots there. congress has said for decades, if you get on u.s. soil, we will screen you, no matter how you get here. it doesn't mean you get it. so i think that's where we need to go. the other thing we need to do frankly is have more legal path ways. i don't know a single economists and you focused on this who said we don't need more workers or immigrant workers. that would reduce backlog at the border. let's work the asylum system work. no one is saying have year -rs years delay. families come over the border. they sit down on the ground at the border and they wait to

apply for asylum. they're not trying to evade. what we need is have more people there to help. >> if you come in not at a port of entry it's not available to you. you're not getting an asylum claim. do you think the administration is that just an aftereffect of just having to effectively shut down tomorrow. >> i would not attribute ill will. it's not that biden has not done anything for immigrants but he has not demonized immigrants. we need comprehensive immigration reform. as he said congress has kind of forced his hand. i think there were other options for him rather than

going to this level of we're not even going to screen you for asylum if you come the wrong way. nobody is saying don't make it more efficient. we need to make it more efficient but this is too much to say a family, you know fleeing persecution because of their religion, if they don't enter in the right place, they don't know where to enter, we'll just send you right back. that's really a dangerous proposition. >> i mean just, i will say, immigrants are the backbone of our economy. and i do, i do wonder if there's been enough defense of the role. the integral role they play in propping up our country. >> yeah, what i would say to people, is think about the immigrant you know, and do they fit the narrative that the trump administration or president trump is putting out there, that they're all gang members. they're not. and you know it when you just think about the immigrants you know. i think the polarization has led us away from basic solutions like path ways for workers, more asylum officers, to stream the system. and force people's ha

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